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The future of Gadgeteer...

Posted 11mth ago
by Gary_ghielectroncs | Employee
Posted 11mth ago
by Gary_ghielectroncs | Employee
When MSR (Microsoft Research) started the Dragonfly concept which later became known as Gadgeteer, we immediately fell in love with it. Everything from the cables to the software wrappers allowed all of us to easily create projects and products. However, it never seemed to move past a research project for Microsoft. And in recent years it seems to be only GHI Electronics providing products and support on the level needed to keep Gadgeteer going. From a business perspective, we unfortunately cannot continue pouring resources into Gadgeteer. It is today with great sadness that we inform you that we will no longer provide Gadgeteer-based solutions.

To make this an easier transition for our customers, we will continue manufacturing Gadgeteer until the end of 2016. We will also keep accepting direct orders throughout 2017. There may be minimum order quantities for 2017 but we will try to keep those as low as possible. Please contact us directly with your Gadgeteer forecast ASAP so we can work with you on a smooth transition.

As far as software support, the current released stable 2016 SDK has everything needed to continue creating Gadgeteer products. Starting in 2017 the GHI Electronics SDK will no longer contain Gadgeteer. So, for those of you invested in Gadgeteer, there is no need to worry about availability. The 2016 R1 release will always be available via our website. Not only will we keep that SDK available for you but we have created a support page that will direct you to the open Gadgeteer source files and provides a very basic overview of what to do.

What's next? By removing Gadgeteer from our product road map, we will be able to really bring the concept of "FEZ" (Fast and Easy) back into using our products and who we are. We will be able to focus on the rest of catalog including NETMF. Yes, you read that correctly; stepping away from Gadgeteer does not apply to NETMF. We will continue with our NETMF product line and products that have yet to be announced.

Using Gadgeteer after the 2016 R1 SDK: https://www.ghielectronics.com/docs/349/using-gadgeteer-after-2016-r1
.NET Gadgeteer Products: https://www.ghielectronics.com/catalog/category/265
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Reply #1 — Posted 11mth ago
by Gus_ghielectroncs | Employee
Reply #1 — Posted 11mth ago
by Gus_ghielectroncs | Employee
I would like to reiterate that this is not effecting any of the NETMF products. Gadgeteer and NETMF are completely different products, and even listed separately on our catalog.
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Reply #2 — Posted 11mth ago
by hagster | Hero | 18,264 exp
Reply #2 — Posted 11mth ago
by hagster | Hero | 18,264 exp
@Gary @Gus This must have been a pretty tough call.

I dont use the gadgeteer software, but do appreciate the hardware modularity.

Will ALL gadgeteer mainboards and modules be discontinued? They can be great for prototyping, even if you use a SOM for further units. I would certainly miss the ability to get a display up and running really fast without having to build out a PCB.
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Reply #3 — Posted 11mth ago
by Brett | Superhuman | 125,590 exp
Reply #3 — Posted 11mth ago
by Brett | Superhuman | 125,590 exp
hagster says:

I would certainly miss the ability to get a display up and running really fast without having to build out a PCB.
yeah displays for me is the greatest gap I see from this
Reply #4 — Posted 11mth ago
by Skewworks | Legend | 69,841 exp
Reply #4 — Posted 11mth ago
by Skewworks | Legend | 69,841 exp
Display won't be so bad if they go back to Cobra I type boards.
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Reply #5 — Posted 11mth ago
by HughB | Hero | 18,611 exp
Reply #5 — Posted 11mth ago
by HughB | Hero | 18,611 exp
Cry this makes me sad. Cry
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Reply #6 — Posted 11mth ago
by Brett | Superhuman | 125,590 exp
Reply #6 — Posted 11mth ago
by Brett | Superhuman | 125,590 exp
Skewworks says:
Display won't be so bad if they go back to Cobra I type boards.

actually, FPC connectors in locations that may or may not sit well with final display mounting relative to mainboard, doesn't seem easier to me. In fact, looking at my Cobra 1 with 4.3 case, I do much prefer the T43 connected to the Raptor sitting next to it. I can't solder that FPC. I can solder the .05 headers no worries. If I'm making a "custom" board, at least the standard that the RGB sockets gave made it easily transportable to another manufacturer's mainboard if you wanted.
Reply #7 — Posted 11mth ago
by Gus_ghielectroncs | Employee
Reply #7 — Posted 11mth ago
by Gus_ghielectroncs | Employee
Offering displays is definitely a good option. Today's NHVN board works directly with FEZ cobra already.
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Reply #8 — Posted 11mth ago
by Duke Nukem | Legend | 67,053 exp
Reply #8 — Posted 11mth ago
by Duke Nukem | Legend | 67,053 exp
@Gary @Gus thank you for all your efforts with Gadgeteer, as it is truly a tragic day that such a great tool rides into history and far too soon, but I certainly understand your position as without Microsoft's active involvement it really is impossible to continue. I must admit I'm disappointed that Microsoft was unable to grasp the beauty and concept of Gadgeteer and really don't have anything to replace it with as nothing made moving into the world of devices and IoT easier for software folks then Gadgeteer.

I had personally invested a lot of time and money into Gadgeteer, but I got so much back from everything I learned and every device I made, so a huge thanks to everyone who helped make Gadgeteer possible and to everyone who makes this user community so special.

I know that everyone who attended one of my hands on Gadgeteer classes left having hands on experience with the best learning tool available and were able to learn the material and concepts faster and better then would have been possible with any other tool, so my sympathies to everyone who never got a chance to experience Gadgeteer as it was truly magical.
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Reply #9 — Posted 11mth ago
by marius | Senior | 1,272 exp
Reply #9 — Posted 11mth ago
by marius | Senior | 1,272 exp
Noooooo!!! This is very sad news.

Gadgeteer has opened up a total new world to me. I am a programmer by trade, without any electronics background, but this style of tinkering has brought me lots of joy and happiness over the past few years. Heck, using a Spider I, a USB-SeriaI and the Extender, I even got a far a creating and ISP for programming an Atmel ATTiny45 that mimicked the STK500 protocol and can be used directly from Atmel Studio. This would not have been possible without Gadgeteer for me personally. But I do not do this for a living, so I do not buy any Gadgeteer related things in volumes.

I do understand that, from a business point of view, if you cannot make money out of it, then there is no use continuing.

Can I just ask a stupid question? If not Gageteer, how else will we connect sensors, etc.? Arduino shield style?

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